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Thats a bit of a stretch comparison
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Fascist like canceling free speech.
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Charleston Cav
01/11/2021 3:44PM
Can't yelll fire in a theater.
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aint2Hokie4me
01/11/2021 5:31PM
I'd say it's more you can't open a theater that serves as home base to a
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 5:48PM
Well, I think we now know which Sabre posters had Parler accounts. **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:21PM
There is no right to free speech on a private website. **
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SixerHoo
01/11/2021 5:09PM
If you are going to make this point, a better framing would be suppressing
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RML Hoos
01/11/2021 5:01PM
I would say advocating violent revolution is no less than yelling fire
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111Balz
01/11/2021 5:25PM
By the way, did you read the interview at Reason with the
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:03PM
Not yet, will look for it. **
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RML Hoos
01/11/2021 5:12PM
I'll be interested. It's a fairly long interview. Well worth reading
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:13PM
Sentence fragment
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TomGlansAski
01/11/2021 4:58PM
Big lies told time and again are still lies.
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Chuck Taylor
01/11/2021 4:53PM
Charleston, you think it would be less “fascist” if the Trump admin tried
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hoolstoptheheels
01/11/2021 4:43PM
So...you're Antifa now? **
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Beerman
01/11/2021 4:43PM
Mussolini and Hitler loved it. Did you have someone else in mind? **
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Slider
01/11/2021 4:37PM
Lame take. Care to expand?**
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THECZAR
01/11/2021 4:35PM
LOL. It's as free as the free market gets
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Fuzzy Dunlop
01/11/2021 4:33PM
No free speech has been canceled **
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111Balz
01/11/2021 4:25PM
More like market forces prefer to cancel fascists from their private
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:23PM
TOS agreements don't care about your feelings. **
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BDF444
01/11/2021 4:13PM
Can you elaborate? Which free speech has bee cancelled?
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Capital City Hoo
01/11/2021 4:05PM
I would say take a good look at what is happening and ask yourself, would
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:13PM
Not a fan of the free market, I see. **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:00PM
Oh i am
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:06PM
How is this any different from being fired from your job
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:17PM
Here is how i would say it is different
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:32PM
Why is censorship legal then?
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:37PM
Im sure there are a ton of things that go into it that i dont know about or
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:45PM
Does it bother you that you can see any cig adds on TV anymore?
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 6:06PM
Banning curse words is actually included here:
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ftwuva
01/12/2021 09:55AM
With cursing I am talking
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Zhoo
01/12/2021 09:59AM
Yes i realize that, but i dont think it is protected as shown in the
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ftwuva
01/12/2021 10:01AM
There's no "maybe" about it. That is *exactly* what happened. **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:41PM
I havent read articles to know exactly what happened
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:42PM
Then surely AWS has a right to decide who to do business with, no? **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:09PM
The ACLU has issues with this situation. i thnk that kind should ring an
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:26PM
Read my post below about the ACLU. You don't seem to understand how they
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:27PM
Read mine. i do and i think its an important caveat to the this situation
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:41PM
Twitter has lost 5 billion in market value since it banned DT.....
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:46PM
Could you please get smart enough to understand that
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:57PM
That is just a sad retort **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:02PM
Well boo hoo then new hoothat**
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:03PM
LOL this is very very sad
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:13PM
Again. Just boo hoo. New hoothat. Gonna pull an all nighter
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:17PM
New hoothat!?! Oh the irony. Do you not recall the ongoing brawl between
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hoolstoptheheels
01/11/2021 5:25PM
Gonna make that next meeting at Burger King on Broad very different. **
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Hoodafan
01/11/2021 5:33PM
Starbucks for me:) **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:37PM
Of course it is, you latte liberal. :-) **
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Hoodafan
01/11/2021 5:39PM
Maybe shen would actually show up ;) **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:34PM
Are you still arguing that Amazon is violating someone's freedom of speech? **
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:17PM
What does any of that have to do with Fascism? **
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Beerman
01/11/2021 4:37PM
LOL- please tell me you're joking?
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Capital City Hoo
01/11/2021 4:31PM
I think anyone inciting violent protest on social media is fire in a
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:44PM
Are you suggesting that there's some kind of basic right to social media?
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:02PM
You sure about that? AWS "owns" half the internet right? there are only so
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:15PM
If you, Parler, or the ACLU want to bring monopolization claims against
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:20PM
Amazon did not claim Parlar was, itself, inciting violent protest.
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Beerman
01/11/2021 4:56PM
What about this?
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:00PM
I think it assumes something that might not be real
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Beerman
01/11/2021 5:11PM
I dont disagree with this one at all. i am all for neutrality and kind of
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:28PM
"Free speech" only applies to state action. This is capitalism, baby.
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:25PM
Then we should just cancel twitter and all social media by that definition
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:31PM
If Twitter decided it wanted to ban all political speech on its platform,
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:35PM
My point is you and so many appear totally fine with parler being completel
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:46PM
I don't think conservative content is the reason they are being shut out of
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:53PM
If everyone on parler is acting that way, burn it down. but as i understand
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:58PM
The problem is that Parler violated its terms of service with AWS.
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00 Hoo
01/11/2021 5:09PM
I think the issue is that no one suddenly wants them. as i understand it
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:23PM
No one wants to host an ISIS recruiting site either, for exactly the same
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 6:04PM
Thats a bit of a stretch comparison **
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ftwuva
01/12/2021 09:52AM
Flashback to ISIS Twitter of the middle 2010s
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hoodeyo
01/11/2021 11:49PM
That reason nobody wants Parler is because they have not put proper
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00 Hoo
01/11/2021 5:34PM
And this may be the end all be all of it. hopefully they do what needs to
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:38PM
That's the thing, though - no group is being denied free speech.
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00 Hoo
01/11/2021 5:45PM
I do not completely agree with your stance though it is not wrong by any
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:50PM
There was no free speech before Parler.
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:01PM
Yeah that 1st amendment just popped up out of nowhere **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:10PM
I'd say Jeff Bezos should not be required to publish Parler's
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:56PM
Murder and insurrection cross the line **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 4:52PM
Then shut down twitter bc an awful lot of it is on twitter too **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:56PM
Not anymore **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 5:01PM
Why is this so hard to understand **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 4:27PM
It's mind boggling, really. It's a pretty simple concept. **
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CyberHoo78
01/11/2021 4:58PM
Reading shit on Earth 2 and posting it on Earth 1 can make a person
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Molina
01/11/2021 4:48PM
Because I'm an idiot? **
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FfxStationHokie
01/11/2021 4:29PM
Hey now, idiots matter. **
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Guy LeDouche
01/11/2021 5:08PM
Free dumb, baby **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 4:43PM
I get the free speech absolutism, but this is the equivalent of fire in a
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 4:23PM
I dont feel sorry for anyone. i feel sorry for what we have become. free
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:27PM
I get your point, but I have a hard time arguing that there isn't
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 4:42PM
I think its a bit more macro. as i understand it, parler came about bc
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:55PM
I am certainly not a tech guy, and I won't pretend to understand the
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 5:07PM
I feel like that fact that the ACLU is getting involved on some level lends
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:20PM
Do you understand how the ACLU works? If so, you know they file on behalf
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:25PM
I do know but at its core they file based on violations of civil liberties
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:36PM
You keep saying "The ACLU is involved; that MEANS something!". But it just
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:39PM
The ACLU has their own agenda, and it is probably more aligned with your
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 5:25PM
I hope youre right and this all works out. im just skeptical that it will
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:39PM
BTW, everytime is see you post, I think the ftw stands for Fort Worth. **
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 5:47PM
I prefer for the win to seem clever but its just my initials. **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:50PM
I figured. its just the Texan in me **
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 6:06PM
Trump cannot hold any more press conferences **
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FfxStationHokie
01/11/2021 4:12PM
He doesn't know, he just heard it on Fox. **
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81_Hokie
01/11/2021 4:10PM
Good thing there is the Soapbox, eh? **
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Guy LeDouche
01/11/2021 4:00PM
Be careful. "Don't tread on him." **
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Blah
01/11/2021 4:01PM
There is free speech...but then you get called names by the meanies :>) **
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Tuckahokie
01/11/2021 4:01PM
Oooh, that sounds like grievance! **
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TomGlansAski
01/11/2021 4:55PM
Poor thing lost his Parler account. #Smh #Tragical **
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 3:59PM
That actually is concerning. everyone just decided that parler shouldnt
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:15PM
Hahahaha, if only they had built their own platform and not relied on AWS!
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 4:26PM
Do you even understand what that means? there are like 3 carriers in the US
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:30PM
Isn't what you're saying here is that: hey, private company X, you MUST do
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CyberHoo78
01/11/2021 5:04PM
In fact, a policy like that would violate the very free speech he claims to
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VAGentleman05
01/11/2021 5:32PM
Not at all. but the fact that a conservative twitter (?) suddenly has no
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:18PM
Are you mad at the TownHall guys for banning your boy? Same difference,
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:40PM
Is this really the road you think you can go down with me? feel free to try
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:50PM
It's a question, not an attack. Websites sensor people who threaten others
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 4:56PM
Wait
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:02PM
Hahah, your post makes a lot more sense now. Yes, I meant
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WahooRQ
01/11/2021 5:41PM
My apologies RQ. totally misread it. do you like how shen is calling me the
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:42PM
Took the words right out of my mouth. Fuck em **
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 4:32PM
Yeah thats not helpful. everything swings back around so how will you feel
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:41PM
If their product is worthwhile, they’ll come back
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 4:49PM
That would also be twitter.... **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:51PM
I saw that an aclu lawyer might be defending Parler here
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:24PM
I don't think that's it at all. The app stores have a TOS for developers
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chuck-fu
01/11/2021 4:22PM
No one gave a shit before last wednesday. now suddenly it matters? that
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:24PM
Ha- really? You don't think that the threat going from being 'theoretical'
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chuck-fu
01/11/2021 4:30PM
I dunno, congressional hearings that have been happening for years while
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:40PM
Exactly - armed attacks on Congress might be a reason to shut it down. **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 4:27PM
There have been reasons to shut it down for a long while before last week
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:33PM
I disagree - only other event might be the Michigan governor kidnapping.
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 4:44PM
Priorities, man. Big Tech is a fertile ground for discussion, but we got
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 3:56PM
Are you talking about the bakery not allowing a gay wedding cake? **
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HoosWillWin
01/11/2021 3:53PM
Oh man, so even cakes can be gay these days? what's next? **
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CAVern
01/11/2021 4:03PM
Gender reveal cakes are the worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 4:11PM
I know. First it was right wing GOP congressmen, and now cakes. **
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HoosWillWin
01/11/2021 4:04PM
Hippos **
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SCHOO
01/11/2021 4:00PM
I think he's talking about gov't funded medical facilities being prohibited
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81_Hokie
01/11/2021 3:57PM
According to Dr. Treadmill, "that's different." **
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Blah
01/11/2021 3:56PM
I'd say you're gonna feel stupid when you find out he's not me...
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ResistHoo
01/11/2021 4:19PM
Hey, it's Dr. Treadmill. **
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Blah
01/11/2021 4:51PM
Derp. **
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ResistHoo
01/11/2021 4:57PM
Is that a treadmill brand? **
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Blah
01/11/2021 6:29PM
It's the sound you make as you grunt another thoughtless, stupid reply. **
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ResistHoo
01/11/2021 7:47PM
So a private company must state what the government wants?
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 3:52PM
A private company that defended itself for not banning people and not
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:17PM
The people whose speech is being suppressed can go elsewhere
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:20PM
Thats not how free speech works when the place they went is now not allowed
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:21PM
In theory, Parler can go to a non-AWS provider. **
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:25PM
How many of those are there? i have no clue how many there are that can
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:32PM
Here’s what I saw
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:40PM
And that is completely correct. if the ACLU is on that side then that says
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:48PM
AWS owns about half the internet
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WahooMatt05
01/11/2021 4:37PM
Well that is a problem in and of itself from a monopoly standpoint **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:47PM
How dare they?!?! Let's storm the US Capitol!!!
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Blah
01/11/2021 3:51PM
You should probably reread the text of the 1st amendment **
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Brown Water
01/11/2021 3:50PM
Something about Congress making a law..... **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:54PM
Comgress shall pass a law forcing private
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:01PM
Hopefully social media does not turn into College Campuses, but we will see **
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Tuckahokie
01/11/2021 3:48PM
Wait. You can no longer advocate murder
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 3:55PM
So you dont believe in free speech if the speech isnt something you agree
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:18PM
Don't be stupid. Forcing a business to publish your preferred
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:41PM
The ACLU is on the side of parler. what does that tell you
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:52PM
Tough titty. **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 4:55PM
It tells me you are on the wrong side on this one.
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:59PM
Sure you are a facist as well as stupid **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:01PM
Insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:12PM
Probably not in your semi literate manner new hoothat **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:14PM
LOL **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:28PM
Riff his line intentionally **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:33PM
Yes only hoothat ever typed LOL.....LOL **
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:41PM
Then, well played! **
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 5:54PM
You can’t yell fire in a crowded movie theater. You can’t falsely accuse so
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111Balz
01/11/2021 4:30PM
This is the speech that is not protected
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:36PM
But consider that Trump wanted to pass legislation
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Zhoo
01/11/2021 5:09PM
It seems to me that both parties have serious issues with these tech
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 5:25PM
And this used to be a free country. **
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southdenverhoo
01/11/2021 4:07PM
Maybe stop calling for death to Pence or give instruction
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:50PM
You did hit on a good point there but
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ftwuva
01/11/2021 4:20PM
In normal times maybe. Not right now when they are continued calls for
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 4:25PM
That deserves censorship...but definitions can be expanded...thus the word
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Tuckahokie
01/11/2021 3:54PM
Point taken. **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:56PM
You have worked for the government too long to know
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Shenhoo
01/11/2021 3:48PM
When you get the same powerful corporations you've been in bed with to do
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HokieDan95
01/11/2021 3:47PM
You mean like orange and Twitter? orange and Oil/Gas? orange and Coal?
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HoosQ
01/11/2021 4:09PM
ANTIFA’s not here, man. **
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Molina
01/11/2021 3:46PM
Private companies are now considered fascist? **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:46PM
Fascism involves a tight bond between private companies and govt **
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HokieDan95
01/11/2021 3:49PM
The party of big business is now afraid of big business. tough to get out
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Plano Hoo
01/11/2021 4:05PM
It’s anarchy. Cats and Dogs living together. **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 4:09PM
Solyndra? (sorry...wanted to bring back on oldie) **
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Tuckahokie
01/11/2021 4:02PM
Would you say you’re anti-fascist? **
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FTJ Mackey
01/11/2021 3:55PM
Name which government agency asked for these companies to act as they did**
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:51PM
The deep state. **
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HoosWillWin
01/11/2021 3:56PM
You mean the Global Socialist Conspiracy? They're Fascists now too?!?!?!? **
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Beerman
01/11/2021 4:40PM
Right always forget about that one. **
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walkthecorner
01/11/2021 3:57PM
Charleston Cav hates socialism but the thing that really pisses him off is
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Molina
01/11/2021 3:47PM
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